Sammaan Capital Limited (SAMMAANCAP)

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Summary from May 2024

Indiabulls Housing Finance Limited Conference Call Summary

Conference Call Details • Date: May 24, 2024 • Transcript disclosed on: May 29, 2024 • Key Executives Present: • Gagan Banga (MD and CEO) • Sachin Chaudhary (COO) • Mukesh Garg (CFO) • Compliance: Audio recording available on the company website as per SEBI regulations.

Financial HighlightsQ4 FY '23/'24 Achievements: • Raised INR 3,693 crores (~$445 million) through an over-subscribed rights issue. • Issued $350 million in dollar bonds. • Retail loan disbursements increased by 22% to INR 9,560 crores. • Completed de-promoterization and received credit rating upgrades from Moody's and S&P.

Strategic OutlookFuture Growth Plans: • Targeting net worth growth from INR 19,000 crores to at least INR 23,000 crores by fiscal 2027. • Projecting annual disbursals of INR 35,000 crores by fiscal 2027. • Aiming for an 18% return on equity and a net NPA of 1.2%.

Legal and Recovery Strategies • Confidence in the Indian legal system for fund recovery. • Significant recovery rate of 71% from loans sold to ARCs, compared to the industry average of 12%.

Dividend and Financial Management • Announced a final dividend of INR 2 per share. • Commitment to a robust dividend payout policy as earnings grow. • Positive asset-liability maturity profile and compliance with liquidity requirements.

Stakeholder Engagement • Expressed gratitude to shareholders, regulators, and other stakeholders for their support. • Anticipated release of Q1 results for fiscal '25 in two months.

Key Inquiries and Responses • Clarified that current net worth does not include anticipated funds from the rights issue. • Emphasized focus on steady earnings and dividend payouts. • Projected retail AUM target of over INR 1 lakh crores by fiscal 2027.

Balance Sheet Insights • Historical assets amount to INR 5,000 crores; focus on AUM growth through disbursements. • Confirmed liquidity level of approximately INR 7,000 crores. • Projected net NPA to remain below 1.2%, influenced by legacy book performance.

Summary from February 2024

Indiabulls Housing Finance Limited Conference Call Summary

Conference Call Details • Date: February 14, 2024 • Disclosure: Transcript released on February 20, 2024 • Key Executives Present: • Mr. Gagan Banga (MD and CEO) • Mr. Sachin Chaudhary (COO) • Mr. Ramnath Shenoy (Head of Investor Relations) • Format: Listen-only mode with Q&A session

Key AnnouncementsRebranding: Expected to rebrand as "Sammaan Capital" by next quarter. • Rights Issue: Successfully raised approximately INR 7,500 crores, exceeding target. • Financial Performance: • Net Interest Income: INR 900 crores for the quarter. • Profit After Tax: INR 303 crores. • Reduced gross NPAs and maintained low net debt-to-equity ratio.

Strategic Goals • Aim for a 15% Return on Equity (ROE) by fiscal '27, with aspirations to accelerate to fiscal '26. • Focus on recovering dues and growing the retail business. • Positive liquidity position with compliance to regulatory requirements.

Management's Outlook • Confidence in resuming growth with a projected annualized compounding growth rate of 15% to 16%. • Emphasis on governance and fiduciary responsibility. • Plans to increase monthly disbursals from INR 800-900 crores to INR 2,000 crores.

Q&A HighlightsPraise from Investors: Craig Elliot (NWI Management) commended management for strong results and transparency. • Financial Clarifications: Questions regarding AIF provisions and ESOPs were addressed by Gagan and Ramnath Shenoy. • Growth Strategy: Gagan emphasized leveraging distribution and credit appraisal capabilities, and maintaining a matched asset-liability management strategy.

Conclusion • Management expressed optimism for future growth and thanked participants for their support before concluding the call.

Summary from November 2023

Indiabulls Housing Finance Limited Conference Call Summary

Conference Call Details • Date: November 14, 2023 • Purpose: Discuss financial results for Q2 FY '24 • Moderator: Mr. Gagan Banga, Vice Chairman, Managing Director, and CEO • Transcript and audio available on the company's website

Financial HighlightsDebt Repayment: • Q2 FY '24: INR 5,000 crores • Past year: INR 19,305 crores • Total since September 2018: Over INR 1,64,000 crores • Upcoming repayments: Only INR 4,700 crores in the next 12 months

Net Interest Income and Profit: • Net Interest Income: INR 893 crores • Profit After Tax: INR 298 crores • Improved asset quality with reduced NPAs

Liquidity: • Liquidity Coverage Ratio: 925%, well above regulatory requirements

Growth and Expansion • Workforce: Over 5,400 employees • Branch Network: 220 branches • Retail disbursals projected to increase from INR 700 crores to INR 1,200 crores monthly by March 2024

Asset Quality • Gross NPAs: INR 1,830 crores (2.88%) • Net NPAs: 1.66% • Provisions: INR 6,204 crores (12% of loan book)

Management's Outlook • Confidence in maturity and stability, ready to resume growth • Emphasis on conservative asset-liability management and liquidity planning • Long-term credit rating reaffirmed as AA/Stable by CRISIL

Q&A HighlightsCraig Elliott's Inquiry: • Praised consistent performance and transparency • Discussed local market liquidity and rating affirmation

Gagan Banga's Responses: • Importance of maintaining strong relationships with rating agencies • Focus on asset quality in co-lending strategy • Key capital sources: co-lending, bank term loans, retail/high-net-worth individuals

Wholesale Lending Plans: • Clearer strategy to be developed in coming months • Expected annual disbursement opportunity: $2 billion to $3 billion

Future Projections • Target: INR 1,200 crores in monthly disbursals by March • Projected growth in Assets Under Management (AUM): 7% to 8% by March 2024 • Anticipated recoveries: INR 1,200 to INR 1,500 crores annually over the next three years

Valuation and Strategic Partnerships • Current trading at half its book value • Ongoing discussions with private equity and corporate investors for strategic partnerships

Long-term Goals • Projected return to mid to high-teen ROE by FY '28 • Goal of over 2% ROA by FY '25 • Expected decline in cost-to-income ratio from FY '25 onwards

Conclusion • Optimism for future operational and strategic updates expressed by Gagan Banga.

Summary from August 2023

Indiabulls Housing Finance Limited Conference Call Summary

Conference Call Details • Date: August 14, 2023 • Transcript disclosed on: August 17, 2023 • Key Executives: • Mr. Gagan Banga (Vice Chairman and CEO) • Mr. Mukesh Garg (CFO) • Compliance: Audio recording available on the company website as per SEBI regulations • Communication signed by: Amit Jain (Company Secretary)

Financial Performance Highlights • Focus on asset-liability management (ALM) due to recent bank failures • Key strategic areas over the past five years: • Monetizing assets • De-risking balance sheet • Adopting an asset-light business model • Debt repayment: ₹4,800 Crores; total borrowings reduced from ₹40,000 Crores to ₹36,000 Crores • Monthly debt repayments manageable at ₹500 Crores

Growth and Future Outlook • Optimism about housing market recovery • Recommended final dividend: ₹1.25 per share • Transitioning from Housing Finance Company (HFC) to Non-Banking Financial Company (NBFC) • Retail loan disbursements in Q1 FY2024: ₹1,837 Crores • Key financial metrics: • Net interest income: ₹562 Crores • Profits: ₹296 Crores • Net interest margin: 3% • Gross NPAs: 2.87%; Net NPAs: 1.69% (11-quarter low) • Targeting 15% return on equity (RoE) by FY2026

Q&A Session Insights • Concerns raised about independence from former promoters • Assurance from Gagan Banga regarding no financial entanglements • Emphasis on rigorous audits and regulatory oversight • Praise from investors for the company's transformation and future growth targets

Future Projections • Estimated monthly disbursals of approximately $200 million by Q1 FY2025 • Projected annual growth rate: 18% to 20% over the next five years • Debt reduction primarily through customer collections and some securitization • Significant recoveries from impaired assets projected at ₹500 to ₹1000 Crores in upcoming quarters • Optimism for steady growth in the latter half of FY2024

Summary from May 2023

Indiabulls Housing Finance Conference Call Summary (May 22, 2023)

Company OverviewDate of Call: May 22, 2023 • Financial Results: Discussed results for Q4 and FY2022-2023 • Key Executives Present: Gagan Banga (Vice Chairman and CEO), senior management • Compliance: Audio recording available on the company website as per SEBI regulations

Financial Performance HighlightsGrowth: • Disbursed nearly ₹8,000 Crores in retail loans (2.5-fold increase YoY) • Stable balance sheet of approximately ₹75,000 Crores • Loan book exceeds ₹54,000 Crores • Operational Efficiency: • Plans for reorganization and rebranding into a single NBFC structure • Expected improvement in capital adequacy from 23% to 31% • Net Interest Income: Increased to ₹3,089 Crores • Profit After Tax: Slight decrease due to higher operational expenses • Future Goals: Aim to double ROE to mid-teens by FY2026

Risk Management and Asset QualityLegacy Wholesale Book: • Focus on de-risking with a 5% ROA • Accumulated ₹10,000 Crores in non-performing loans, with ₹2,500 Crores recovered • Additional recovery of ₹2,500 Crores expected over the next six quarters • Provisions: Totaling around ₹6,500 Crores, with a coverage ratio of 3.4 times gross NPAs • Capital Adequacy: Robust at 31%

Asset Liability ManagementLiquidity Management: • Solid balance sheet with significant capital and liquidity buffers • Reserves set aside for upcoming ECBs and FCCBs repayments • Loan Sourcing: Monthly sourcing over ₹800 Crores, targeting total disbursements of at least ₹12,000 Crores this year • NPA Ratio: Low gross NPA ratio of 2.86%

Strategic InitiativesDebt Repayment: Over ₹1.52 lakh Crores repaid since September 2018 • Liquidity Coverage Ratio: 108%, exceeding RBI requirements • Future Targets: • Transition to a co-lending marketplace • Target ROA of 3% and ROE of 15% by FY2026

Q&A Session InsightsDelinquency Rates: Expected NPAs for retail assets to settle between 1% to 1.5% over five years • Loan Book Growth: Retail disbursements projected to average ₹800-900 Crores monthly in H1, increasing in H2 • Dividends: Decision on dividends rests with the Board and shareholders • Financial Partnerships: Open to partnerships to enhance growth • Wholesale Book Liquidation: Nearly complete, with ₹4,000 to ₹5,000 Crores remaining to liquidate this year

ConclusionPositive Outlook: Management optimistic about future growth and opportunities in retail and wholesale lending.

Summary from February 2023

Indiabulls Housing Finance Q3 FY 2023 Earnings Conference Call Summary

Financial PerformanceNet Interest Income: ₹2,354 crores for nine months; ₹950 crores for the quarter. • Profit After Tax: ₹867 crores for nine months; ₹291 crores for the quarter. • Retail Disbursals: Increased 3.3 times to ₹6,261 crores, making the company the third-largest mortgage lender.

Business StrategyAsset-Light Model: Emphasized strong capital levels and prudent asset-liability management (capital adequacy ratio of 34%). • Retail Lending Expansion: Focus on co-lending partnerships and growing branch network. • Wholesale Book Derisking: Ongoing efforts to manage and reduce risks.

Project Financing and Asset QualityStructured Financing: Secured for project completions, leading to occupancy certificates and cash flow for repayments. • Stage 2 Asset Resolution: High-risk assets resolved with annualized returns of 12% to 14%. • Improved Asset Quality: Stage 2 loans decreased from ₹22,000 crores to ₹4,520 crores; gross NPA at ₹2,302 crores (3.3%).

Liquidity and ManagementLiquidity Coverage Ratio: Strong at 246%. • Debt Repayment: Over ₹1 lakh crore repaid to lenders. • Transition to Professional Management: Focus on retail lending and organizational simplification.

Future OutlookAUM Expectations: Anticipated 15% decrease in Assets Under Management (AUM). • Dividend Distribution: Impacted by new RBI regulations; aim to comply while maintaining trust. • Provisions for NPAs: Increased for Stage 2 assets; strong provisioning coverage ratio maintained.

Management InsightsOptimism for Future: Potential rebranding and strategic developments discussed. • Commitment to Financial Health: Emphasis on maintaining a strong balance sheet while pursuing growth.