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Conference Call Details • Date: August 7, 2024 • Held on: July 31, 2024 • Participants: Vice Chairman Kailash Agarwal, Joint Managing Director Jitendra Agarwal
Financial Performance Highlights • Revenue: Increased by 59% to INR 414 crores • Gross Profit Margin: Improved to 44.4% • EBITDA: Rose 121% to INR 63 crores • PAT: Increased by 120% year-over-year to INR 42 crores • Order Book: Stood at INR 21,458 crores • Revenue Guidance for FY '25: Approximately INR 2,500 crores • EBITDA Margin Guidance: 15-16%
Operational Insights • Investments: Ongoing investments in workforce and systems • Expansion Plans: Plans to enter smart water management solutions • Tender Pipeline: Noted as not very healthy; several tenders in Gujarat, Goa, and Haryana
Tender and Installation Updates • Smart Meter Installations: 11 crore meters awarded; 4-5 crore in negotiation; 1.785 crore expected to be quoted soon • Current Installation Rate: 2-3 lakh meters per month • State Tender Status: Telangana and Karnataka yet to release tenders
Debt and Financial Strategy • Gross Debt: Approximately INR 400 crores; net debt is zero • Future Debt Plans: Anticipated increase in gross debt aligned with revenue growth; no fund raise planned • Equity Infusion: INR 1,700 crores planned over 3-4 years
Market and Competitive Landscape • O&M Revenue: Beginning to flow from live meters in Assam • Gross Margins: Attributed to procurement efficiencies • Competitive Landscape: Remains stable with no significant changes
Future Projections • Revenue Growth: Anticipated 50-60% annually over the next 3-4 years • Smart Meter Installations: Expected to install 6-7 million meters in FY '25 • Order Book Breakdown: 25-30% related to AMISP platform; remainder from meter supply and installation
Regional Insights • Smart Meter Success: Positive reception in Bihar and Assam • Corruption Allegations: Not expected to hinder smart meter rollout in Bihar
Conclusion • Execution Confidence: Management expressed confidence in meeting revenue guidance and execution timelines.
Earnings Call Overview • Date: June 6, 2024 • Purpose: Discuss operational and financial performance for the quarter and year ending March 31, 2024.
Key Achievements • Secured over INR 16,000 crores in orders for smart prepaid meters. • Total order book exceeds INR 21,000 crores. • Revenue increased by 108% YoY for Q4 FY24, reaching INR 420.1 crores. • Profit After Tax (PAT) of INR 31.4 crores, up 151% YoY.
Future Projections • Anticipated revenue surge starting FY25, projecting around INR 2,500 crores. • Improved operating margins expected.
Market Insights • Approximately 11 million smart meters installed; projection of 60-70 million installations in FY24. • Government target of 250 million smart meters within 4-5 years.
Financial Guidance and Taxation • Discussion on new tax regime and rationale for multiple subsidiaries for bidding. • Optimism for FY '25 and '26, but no specific financial numbers provided.
Project Execution and Challenges • Clarified that project timelines and receivables are affected by system integration. • Current expense run rate expected to stabilize as revenue increases.
Opportunities and Market Expansion • Emerging opportunities in net metering and government tenders. • Diversification into gas and water meters alongside smart meters.
Operational Insights • Most projects do not involve advance payments; payments received within 45 days post-installation. • Working capital cycle spans 5-6 months, with improvements expected.
Capacity and Production • Current production capacity of 1 million meters monthly, with plans to expand to 1.5 million. • Installation capacity can scale without significant capital expenditure.
Future Business Plans • Focus on alternative revenue streams post-smart meter installation. • Anticipated domestic market for gas meters of 8-10 crore over the next 7-8 years.
Conclusion • Commitment to innovation and customer satisfaction reaffirmed. • Invitation for further inquiries through Investor Relations adviser.
Earnings Highlights • Date of Call: February 15, 2024 • Revenue Growth: • 28.9% year-over-year increase to Rs. 258.3 crores • EBITDA rose by 33% to Rs. 27.2 crores • Profit after tax increased by 16.1% to Rs. 13.5 crores • Order Book: • Total exceeding Rs. 20,000 crores • Secured orders worth approximately Rs. 16,185 crores for smart prepaid meters
Future Projections • Revenue Guidance for FY25: Approximately Rs. 2,500 crores • Equity Requirement: Rs. 300 to 400 crores • Project Execution: Expected to start in Q2 FY25 after a 6 to 9-month preparation period
Order Book Composition • Internal Meter Supplies: 90-95% directed towards Genus SPVs • Revenue Recognition: • 45% from initial supply and installation • 25% from operations and maintenance • 30% from interest over 27 to 30 months
Operational Insights • Expansion Plans: • Ongoing expansion in Assam to add 1 crore meters to capacity • Capacity target of 1.2 crores (1 million meters per month) • Investment Plan: Rs. 1,600 crore over three years, with Rs. 300 crore needed next year
Financial Management • Cash Reserves: Rs. 500 crores • Debt Management: Minimal need for debt; ongoing working capital needs highlighted • Tax Rate: Stable at approximately 25% under the new tax regime
Execution and Challenges • Execution Expectations: Targeting Rs. 1,200 crores in revenue for Q4 • Concerns Addressed: • Execution challenges mitigated by government support • Payment receivables secured through direct debit facilities in RDSS projects
Joint Venture and Stake • Joint Venture Stake: Genus holds a 26% stake, allowing for profit sharing in the future
Conclusion • Positive Outlook: Management expresses confidence in future growth and execution capabilities, thanking participants for their support.
Earnings Call Overview • Date: November 10, 2023 • Transcript submitted to BSE and NSE on November 17, 2023.
Key Highlights • Strong Order Inflow • Secured six significant orders worth approximately INR 15,160 crores for smart prepaid meters. • Total order book exceeds INR 19,000 crores. • Execution expected to start in 6-7 months, with a 27-month cycle.
• Financial Performance (Q2 FY24) • Sales: INR 259 crores (up 18.4% YoY). • EBITDA: INR 25 crores (up 46% YoY). • Profit After Tax: INR 11 crores (slightly up from INR 10 crores YoY). • Projected total revenue for FY24: INR 1,200 crores.
Order Book and Revenue Structure • Order Book Breakdown • 50% for manufacturing and installation. • 25-30% for maintenance. • 20% for financing costs.
• Production Capacity • Current capacity: 10 million meters annually. • Potential to ramp up to 20 million meters within six months with capital expenditure.
Market and Competitive Landscape • Component Sourcing • No current difficulties in sourcing components for smart meter production.
• Revenue from Technology Provision • Estimated at 35-40% of total revenue. • Genus acts primarily as a technology provider for AMISP projects.
Future Outlook • Growth Projections • Anticipated return to 15-16% margins as revenue increases. • Targeting a future order book of INR 30,000 crores.
• Long-term Vision • Commitment to building a sustainable organization and innovation in the smart metering industry.
Technology and Collaboration • Technology Development • Primarily in-house technology with collaborations with telecom providers and software vendors.
• Pricing Risks • Genus bears pricing risks for AMISP orders unless delays are caused by utilities.
Conclusion • Management expressed confidence in future growth and thanked the team for their efforts, wishing everyone a happy Deepawali and prosperous New Year.
Key Highlights • Date of Call: August 11, 2023 • New Orders: Secured over INR 4,400 crores, total order book exceeds INR 8,200 crores. • Sales Performance: 39.6% increase in sales to INR 261 crores. • EBITDA: Increased to INR 29 crores; operating margins impacted by legacy orders. • Revenue Forecast: Anticipated total revenue of around INR 1,200 crores for FY24.
Order Book Insights • Composition: Approximately 95% new AMISP smart meter orders; 4-5% legacy orders. • Execution Cycle: Healthy execution cycle of 24 to 27 months. • Tender Quotations: Quoted tenders worth around INR 43,000 crores; additional INR 27,000 crores expected soon.
Raw Materials and Supply Chain • Sourcing: Over 60% of raw materials sourced domestically. • Relay Supply: No challenges in securing relays for smart meters; sufficient domestic and international capacity.
Operational Efficiency • Billing Process: Linked to service level agreements; low failure rate of installed meters. • Performance Guarantees: Provided to customers.
Future Growth and Strategy • Revenue Target: Aiming for INR 1,200-1,400 crores for FY24, with multi-fold increase expected in FY25. • Management Expansion: Actively hiring to enhance management bandwidth. • Export Goals: Returned to pre-COVID export levels, targeting around INR 100 crores.
Market Position and Competition • Technological Expertise: Viewed as a preferred partner by AMISP providers. • Future Guidance: More concrete performance and market share guidance to be provided in future quarters.
Conclusion • Management expressed optimism for improved margins and operational efficiencies while navigating a competitive landscape. The call concluded with gratitude from the management team.
Partnership with GIC Singapore • Date of Call: July 6, 2023 • Stake Distribution: GIC holds 74%, Genus holds 26% • Capital Outlay: Approximately USD 2 billion • Project Goal: Install 30 million smart meters in 3-4 years • Revenue Expectations: Starting in Q4 FY24, projected INR 1,200 to 1,400 crores for FY24
Financial Structure and Revenue Model • Revenue Source: 60% from Special Purpose Vehicles (SPVs) formed under the platform • Current Order Book: Exceeds INR 6,000 crores • Projected Revenue: INR 3,600 crores over the next two years, excluding other meter supplies • Supply Chain: Semiconductor issues resolved, no anticipated problems in the next 3-4 months
Operational Details • Asset-Light Model: Minimizes debt requirements • Order Book Composition: 60% supply and installation, 40% operations and maintenance (O&M) • O&M Contracts: Typically last 100 months • Competition: Includes large corporates like Adani and GMR
Platform Operations • Role of the Platform: Primarily facilitates financing, not solely a financing entity • Payment Terms: 30 to 45 days post-installation • Working Capital Needs: Expected reduction by 40-60%
Joint Venture and Management • SPV Payments: Totaling INR 18,000 crores over 100 months • Management Structure: Genus participates in decision-making with a 26% stake • EPC Project Execution: Managed by Genus due to experience
Market Share and Capacity Utilization • Target Market Share: 12% from AMISP projects, potential additional 8-10% from partners • Current Capacity Utilization: 40-50% • Future Revenue Potential: Primarily from meter manufacturing at full capacity
Conclusion • Investment Gratitude: Kailash Agarwal expressed appreciation for GIC's investment, highlighting strong prospects in the smart metering sector.
Earnings Call Overview • Date: May 24, 2023 • Transcript submitted on: May 29, 2023 • Discussed: Audited financial results for FY ending March 31, 2023
Financial Highlights • Strong order inflow: Rs. 3,844 crores for FY '23 • Current order book: Rs. 4,115 crores • Expected revenues for FY '24: Approximately Rs. 1,500 crores • Q4 FY '23 sales: Increased by 12% year-over-year • Profit after tax for Q4 FY '23: Rs. 13 crores
Key Projects and Funding • Major projects in Bihar and Assam on track • $49.5 million loan from U.S. International Development Finance Corporation for smart meters • Anticipated manageable debt increase: Rs. 500-600 crores for FY '24
Working Capital and Debtor Days • Optimism about improving debtor cycle due to RDSS implementation • Expected improvements in debtor days and inventory levels
Competitive Landscape • Major competitors: Adani, Monte Carlo, GMR, IntelliSmart • Resolved semiconductor supply issues with long-term contracts in place
Other Financial Insights • Negative other income due to mark-to-market (MTM) adjustments • Significant project execution expected to ramp up in Q3 • Near-zero net debt as of March 31
Future Outlook • Healthy order book anticipated for FY '24 • Margin guidance maintained at 15% despite competition • Ongoing business restructuring to focus on power-related operations
Additional Inquiries • Clarification on MTM losses: Estimated around Rs. 20-26 crores • Discussion on tender participation: Rs. 27,000 crores worth of tenders in progress • Management expressed optimism about future growth and business opportunities.
Key Highlights • Date of Call: February 6, 2023 • Order Inflow: • 29.49 lakh smart prepaid meters ordered • Total order book increased to INR 4,099 crores • Financial Performance: • Sales growth: 2% year-on-year to INR 200 crores • Profit after tax: 42% increase to INR 12 crores
Future Outlook • Order Inflows: • Anticipated robust inflows in FY '24 due to government initiatives • Upcoming opportunities worth INR 49,000 crores • Revenue Guidance: • Projected revenue for FY '24: INR 1,500 crores • Full impact of order book expected in 6-9 months
Supply Chain and Production • Semiconductor Supply: • Ongoing improvements and secured supplies despite delays • Production Capacity: • Sufficient capacity for smart meter production for the next few years
Project Updates • Assam Project: • Implementation phase to start in 4-5 months • Bihar Project: • Site Acceptance Test completed; live by February with 10,000 meters installed • Revenue expected in Q4 based on installation milestones
Financial Strategy • AMISP Business Model: • Cautious approach to leveraging the balance sheet • 40% capital requirement for projected INR 4,000 crore order • Capacity Utilization: • Expected improvement with potential output of 10 million meters annually • Debt Status: • Currently net debt-free; no additional borrowings anticipated
Additional Insights • Short-term Borrowings: • INR 243 crores as of September • Return on Equity (ROE): • Improvements expected in coming years • Order Execution Cycle: • 50% of INR 4,000 crores orders executed within 24-27 months • Remaining revenue from O&M contracts over eight years • Export Activities: • Expected to account for 10% of revenue this financial year • Other Income: • Recent increase attributed to bond valuations • Future Performance: • Strong performance and execution of existing orders anticipated.